Embracing cycles of rest is essential for our own ability to grow and create. Rather than continuously striving, reaching for the next thing and going ever faster, we need to pause and recharge, acknowledging that rest is as crucial as productivity.

By honouring the natural cycles of action and rest, we give ourselves the chance to integrate experiences, reflect deeply, and ultimately emerge renewed, ready to bring our full selves to the work we care about.

Emma Chow is a regenerative designer and leader who learned this the hard way in 2020. Since then, she’s journeyed from global consulting to pioneering work in service of the circular economy, following a passion for nature and the climate she’s held since the age of 18.

In her conversation with Ben, Emma shares how embracing rest as part of life’s natural rhythm can open up space for resilience, creativity, and a deeper connection to purpose.

• Connect with Emma via LinkedIn
• Emma’s website

Growing as a person – and as a leader – often involves a metamorphosis, where one moves from an egocentric, achievement-focused mindset to a more holistic, purpose-driven approach to life and work.

This shift can occur at various stages of life, and it takes courage to confront the discomfort and uncertainty that shows up. But ultimately it leads to a deeper connection with one's soul and life purpose.

This journey, while challenging, can be navigated successfully with the right guidance and understanding of the process. In this discussion, Giles Hutchins outlines his relationship with this process of death and rebirth.

Giles is a coach specialising in regenerative leadership and business inspired by nature. He works with leaders, founders, CEOs, and chairs from around the world, and has been taking leaders into nature for over 15 years as part of his coaching practice.

• Leading by Nature, by Giles Hutchins
• Other books by Giles
• Movement, Mood and Mindset – Episode 34, with Sal Jefferies

Embracing different perspectives and understanding the long-term impacts of our actions, particularly in terms of cultural shifts and societal evolution, can give us valuable insights to navigate our present and future more effectively.

Author Dougald Hine rejoins Ben to discuss a new book by Tyson Yunkaporta, who suggested that the best thing to do is maybe not to read a book, but to discuss it with someone else.

In their conversation, they explore how deep time diligence impacts cultural changes, the role of violence in human societies, and what imposing limitations can mean to those around us.

• At Work in the Ruins – Episode 18
• Right Story, Wrong Story: Adventures in Indigenous Thinking, by Tyson Yunkaporta
• Sand Talk: How Indigenous Thinking Can Save the World, by Tyson Yunkaporta
• A School Called Home
• The Anxious Generation: How the Great Rewiring of Childhood is Causing an Epidemic of Mental Illness, by Jonathan Haidt
• Further Adventures in Regrowing a Living Culture – Dougald’s spring 2024 series

Where do new ideas come from?

Your mind regenerates from the outside in, teased to life by artists, innovators, agitators playing on the margins. Their work inspires yours. This is the spark, the stuff of new ideas.

As with your mind, so too an old city.

Berlin in 1992 was a tired place, run dry by 50 years of division, devoid of life, energy and new story.

Until it was woken up.

The same today in Detroit. A husked out old powerhouse finding new form, courtesy of the peripheral thinkers and players, sparking new story, seeding new ideas.

Like an old city, your mind wakes up from the outside in, seeds of ideas taking root on the margins, the periphery, before bleeding into the mainstream of your mind.

In this episode, we talk about Berlin and Detroit and waking you up from the outside in. It's only a little episode; short enough to consume on a dog walk or journey to work. Or even on the toilet, if you're that way inclined.

And if you like what you hear, why not sign up to keep up at www.Peripheral-Thinking.com ?

There’s a way of seeing personal growth and transformation as a cycle of rupture, descent, emergence, and return – an inward journey that challenges us to confront our own demons, integrate different aspects of ourselves, and ultimately find a way to contribute to the collective good.

Christine Raine is a speaker, facilitator, and podcaster. She developed an interpretation of Maureen Murdoch’s Heroine’s Journey, a psychological framework for personal growth and transformation that integrates this cycle. In her discussion with Ben, she explains how the journey typically unfolds more like a spiral than a circle, emphasising its impact no matter your gender identity.

• Connect with Christine via LinkedIn
• Christine’s website
• Listen to the Heroine’s Journey podcast

Bringing movement into our daily routines is beneficial not only for our physical health, but our mental and emotional wellbeing too. Consciously integrating activity into our lifestyles helps us counteract the sedentary nature of modern life, especially for leaders and entrepreneurs sat in front of a laptop all day.

Sal Jefferies is an embodiment specialist, focusing on movement and the interconnectedness of physical, mental, and emotional health. He’s deeply interested in how humans function, drawing from fields like psychology, philosophy, neuroscience, cognitive science, and embodied cognition. He discusses the importance of incorporating movement into daily life along with the negative impacts of a sedentary lifestyle. Sal also coaches entrepreneurs and business owners, applying his knowledge of movement and health to improve their performance and wellbeing.

If you like this episode, don't forget you can find all our conversations at www.peripheral-thinking.com or sign up here!

• Connect with Sal via LinkedIn
• Mindset, Mood & Movement – Sal’s podcast
• TED talks by Sir Ken Robinson

Embracing discomfort and experiencing emotions to the fullest can give us the guidance needed to navigate positive life changes, even in difficult circumstances. But sometimes those emotions are too difficult or too stark, and so we use things like alcohol to turn down the volume. But by doing so, we dim ourselves.

Today, Ben is in conversation with Cecily Mak. Cecily writes a newsletter on living a life free of alcohol (without labels like “sober” or “recovery”), and reveals how little most of us know about the carcinogenic nature of alcohol.

Cecily is also a cofounder of a venture fund called Wisdom Ventures, which seeks to add spirituality, purpose and impact to the results they delivers partners and investors.

• Connect with Cecily via LinkedIn
• ClearLife – Cecily’s newsletter
• Follow @clearlifejourney on Instagram

Our willingness to embrace and make space for all aspects of ourselves, both the good and the bad, can lead to greater peace and contentment in our lives. By practicing gratitude and mindfulness, we can shift our mindset and find joy in the present moment.

And the way we perceive the universe, whether as benevolent or something to fear, shapes our experiences and interactions with the world. Understanding the power of our perspectives can help us navigate life with more compassion and openness.

Ben is joined in this episode by Haemin Sunim, a Buddhist monk from South Korea. He has written several books and is known for his simple and evocative writing style. Haemin's work focuses on mindfulness, healing, and finding peace in our lives.

He combines Buddhist teachings with practical advice to help people navigate challenges and cultivate compassion and gratitude. In addition to writing, Haemin runs the School for Broken Hearts, where he invites people facing difficulties to have open-hearted conversations and learn from one another. In his discussion with Ben, he highlights the importance of embracing all aspects of ourselves and finding joy in the present moment.

• Follow Haemin on Instagram
• Haemin’s books:
• Love for Imperfect Things: How to Accept Yourself in a World Striving for Perfection
• The Things You Can See Only When You Slow Down: How to be Calm in a Busy World
• When Things Don’t Go Your Way: Zen Wisdom for Difficult Times
• The School for Broken Hearts